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Tricky Combinations Examples

40 minutes of active learning · Difficulty 4/10 · Lesson

Real counting problems rarely ask for a single, plain combination. They often split a selection across several groups, force or forbid a particular member, or hide these conditions inside ordinary-sounding language. This lesson combines the formula and identities from the last two lessons into a small toolkit for those harder cases, and shows how to check the result against a smaller version of the same problem.

What you will learn

  • Combine multiple selection steps into one count
  • Handle combinations with grouped or restricted items
  • Check a combination count against a smaller worked case

Keep paper and a pencil nearby. Try each problem before opening a hint, and mark sections reviewed as you work through them.

Multiplying independent selection steps

Some problems ask for a selection made of several separate parts, such as choosing some members from one group and other members from an unrelated group. Because the choice made within one group has no effect on the choices available in the other group, the multiplication principle applies: compute each group's combination count on its own, then multiply the counts together.

This is the same multiplication principle used for permutations, just applied to combination counts instead of ordered counts. The key check is that the groups truly do not interact — no object can belong to both pools, and no restriction links a choice in one group to a choice in the other.

Selections with required or forbidden members

If a problem requires a specific object to be part of the chosen group, that object's seat is already decided, so it should be set aside before counting. Only the remaining seats need to be filled, and they are filled from the remaining pool: a group of size rr from nn objects that must include one fixed object reduces to choosing r−1r-1 objects from the other n−1n-1.

If a problem instead forbids a specific object from being chosen, remove that object from the pool entirely before applying the combination formula: a group of size rr from nn objects that must exclude one fixed object reduces to choosing rr objects from the other n−1n-1. In both cases, the trick is the same — resolve the special object first, then count the remaining, unrestricted choice.

Checking a count against a smaller case

Before trusting a combination count on a problem with large numbers, it helps to test the same method on a small, listable version of the problem. If a rule like "remove the excluded person, then choose from what remains" gives a count that matches direct listing on, say, 4 people instead of 40, then the reasoning has been confirmed and can be trusted at the larger scale.

This habit catches a very common error: miscounting how many objects remain after an object is fixed or removed. A small-case check takes only a moment and is far cheaper than working through an entire contest problem with a subtly wrong pool size.

See the reasoning unfold

Pause after each step and predict what comes next.

Worked example 1

Choosing from two separate groups

A trivia team needs 2 members chosen from 5 available math specialists and 3 members chosen from 4 available science specialists. How many different teams can be formed?

  1. The math specialists are chosen independently of the science specialists, so the multiplication principle applies to the two group counts.

1 of 3 steps revealed

Worked example 2

A committee that must include one person

A club has 8 members, including its president. A 4-person planning committee is chosen, and the president must be on it. How many different committees are possible?

  1. Since the president is required, that single seat on the committee is already decided.

1 of 3 steps revealed

Worked example 3

A committee that must exclude one person

A group of 9 people wants to select a 4-person committee, but one member, Farid, has a scheduling conflict and cannot serve. How many different committees are possible, and how does checking a smaller version of this problem confirm the method?

  1. Since Farid cannot serve, remove him from the pool, leaving 8 eligible people to fill all 4 committee seats.

1 of 3 steps revealed

Common mistakes to catch

  • Adding the combination counts from separate groups instead of multiplying them.
  • Forgetting to remove a required or excluded person from the pool before applying the combination formula to the remaining seats.
  • Skipping a small-case check that would have caught an error in how many people remain after fixing or removing one person.

Try with support

Guided practice

Choose a strategy, take a first step, and use the hints when you need direction.

Guided problem 1

Difficulty 3/10

A photography club selects 2 photographers from 4 available seniors and 2 photographers from 5 available juniors for an exhibit. How many different groups of 4 photographers can be formed?

For example: 12, 0.75, or 3/4.

Guided problem 2

Difficulty 3/10

A debate team of 6 people includes its captain. A 3-person panel for the next round is chosen, and the captain must be on the panel. How many different panels are possible?

For example: 12, 0.75, or 3/4.

Put it into practice

Independent practice

Work on your own first. If you reveal a solution, work through it and mark it reviewed.

Independent problem 1

Difficulty 4/10

A charity event needs a crew of 3 chosen from 6 available adults and a crew of 2 chosen from 5 available teenagers. How many different combined crews of 5 people can be formed?

For example: 12, 0.75, or 3/4.

Independent problem 2

Difficulty 4/10

A study group of 10 students must choose a 4-person presentation team, but one student, Wren, is unavailable that week and cannot be chosen. How many different presentation teams are possible?

For example: 12, 0.75, or 3/4.

Independent problem 3

Difficulty 4/10

A 12-person club must select a 5-person committee, and one member, Coach Lee, is required to be on it. Which expression correctly counts the number of possible committees?

Answer choices for problem 3

Independent problem 4

Difficulty 4/10

A 7-person committee is formed from 5 available scientists and 6 available engineers, with exactly 3 scientists and 4 engineers on the committee. How many different committees are possible?

For example: 12, 0.75, or 3/4.

Bring it together

  • When a problem selects from separate independent groups, compute each group's combination count and multiply them.
  • A required or excluded person can be set aside first, reducing the problem to choosing the remaining seats from the remaining pool.
  • Checking a method on a small, listable case catches errors before trusting it on a larger problem.

Finish with understanding.

Review each section and example, then solve each problem or work through its solution.

  • 0 / 6 sections reviewed
  • 0 / 3 worked examples explored
  • 0 / 6 problems solved or reviewed

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